It's true I personally was putting the section ahead of the rest of the forum yesterday. The reason I did that was because I thought it was time for the subforum to start evolving into a functiong section of the forum rather than a thunderdomesque spam factory. To answer Self Sovereignty's question IDK yet if it is in fact intentional pr an overlooked issue. I am know leaving this thread to submit a pm to admin on this topic and I advise anyone interestee in helping out in the newbie section to submit a PM asking the same thing. Once again I'm sorry for disrespecting honorable members without thought to how they felt. It is very rare I mess up but when I do I admit it with out a second thought. X) nomad